Episode 140 - Beings Animalculous
The Psycho Pirate tried to undo Crisis. From Animal Man 23. (C) 2025 DC Comics.
Just in time for the pod’s 10th birthday, a bucket list guest for the show. We welcome, after two years of trying to line up schedules, Grant Morrison.
When we started discussing doing the pod with Grant, it was Animal Man’s 35th anniversary. It’s now the 37th anniversary, but all that matters is finally having the chat. We talk about the book’s creation back in 1988 during the first wave of the British Comics Invasion, when Grant, Gaiman, Milligan and McKean followed Alan Moore in working for DC. This leads to discussing the story that changed the book, issue 5’s “The Coyote Gospel.” From there, it’s talk about everything from B’Wanna Beast to The Red Bee, Captain Cold to The Inferior Five. That’s all leading up to the Psycho Pirate, his trying to undo Crisis and the debut of characters like Overman and Sunshine Superman. And that culminates with looking at the end of Grant’s time on the book, when Buddy travels through Limbo to meet … well, a fictionalized version of Grant, when gets to confront his creator about the death of his family and all the other bad stuff that has happened in these stories.
There’s lots of other stuff in our conversation including Swamp Thing, Sargon the Sorcerer, Doom Patrol, Batman, continuity, metafiction and of course Hypertime, where Grant explains the math behind the idea that most people didn’t understand.
As you may be able to tell during our chat, Animal Man was a very important book for me, it starting at the same time I was beginning college and being exposed to new ideas and writers like Borges. I’m so happy we were finally able to get this done and thanks to Grant’s wife Kristan for all her help over the years trying to balance Trans-Atlantic schedules, natural disasters and various medical issues over that time. But we never gave up, so we hope you like probably one of my favorite episodes of the podcast’s lifespan.
